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president declared himself modestly optimistic congress could still reach an agreement to head off huge tax hikes on january first but he also warned lawmakers to get their work done. >> the american people are not going to have patience with a self-inflicted wound on the economy. >> reporter: senate republican leader mitch mcconnell called the white house meeting a good one and he told his fellow republicans he hoped to have a fiscal cliff recommendation soon. >> we will be working hard to see if we can get there in next 24 hours and so i am hopeful and optimistic. >> reporter: but the sticking point remains finding something that can make it through the house with enough support from republicans. >> it seems like the 250 threshold that the president proposed previously is unlikely to pass the house in its current form, and so without some sort of additional compromise there it seems unlikely that we're going to get something done before the end of the year. >> susie: you know thanks for that report. i am just wondering from all of the reporting you have done, do you think we are better of
president declared himself modestly optimistic congress could still reach an agreement to head off huge tax hikes on january first but he also warned lawmakers to get their work done. >> the american people are not going to have patience with a self-inflicted wound on the economy. >> reporter: senate republican leader mitch mcconnell called the white house meeting a good one and he told his fellow republicans he hoped to have a fiscal cliff recommendation soon. >> we will be...
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. guest: tha
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clearly, i don't want taxes to go up. taxes shouldn't go up on anyone. but to only raise taxes on those who are the top earners will only fund the government something like eight days. this is something that the american people need to understand and recognize. there are big failures going on in washington and people need to take notice and hold our politicians accountable. >> arthel: michael? >> if she's right and it's only eight days, why would the republicans hold every american taxpayer hostage for eight days' worth of a deal? there should be a deal on the tax part. it should happen in the next few hours. this is an artificial deadline created by a bunch of politicians two summers ago because they couldn't consume to an agreement. so that's why we're here on the new year's eve trying to figure out how not to have taxes go up by 99.7% of americans, which is what will happen come new year's day. that's why i think you're going to get it. the politician doesn't want to be the one to say i created the largest tax hike in history. >> arthel: so michael, w
clearly, i don't want taxes to go up. taxes shouldn't go up on anyone. but to only raise taxes on those who are the top earners will only fund the government something like eight days. this is something that the american people need to understand and recognize. there are big failures going on in washington and people need to take notice and hold our politicians accountable. >> arthel: michael? >> if she's right and it's only eight days, why would the republicans hold every american...
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they want to raise taxes on somebody. so is there any possibility that either side will budge on those two issues? >> we'll have to wait and see what happens. the president, as funny as it sounds, at the end of the press conference came out and said if the senate can't get this done, let's do the bare minimum, my plan and let's raise taxes on $250,000 and do that if you can't reach some other agreement. it's absurd on this. >> if there were real entitlement reform -- >> and there were real entitlement reform, would you be willing to raise taxes on anybody just so the democrats could save face and say they got a deal? >> it would have to be some pretty serious entitlement. >> like what? like what? >> we'll have to wait and see how that comes out. >> see, that's the problem? >> let's take the basics. you have food stamp issues with a lot of food stamp fraud that's out there and you have people certified to get food stamps and i don't have an issue with someone who has an actual need and qualifies for it. i have a real issue
they want to raise taxes on somebody. so is there any possibility that either side will budge on those two issues? >> we'll have to wait and see what happens. the president, as funny as it sounds, at the end of the press conference came out and said if the senate can't get this done, let's do the bare minimum, my plan and let's raise taxes on $250,000 and do that if you can't reach some other agreement. it's absurd on this. >> if there were real entitlement reform -- >> and...
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my taxes went up. fiscal cliff could cause some people's taxes to go up enough. adam: they tight enup spending. >> tight enup spending. lenders do the same thing on the backside. i don't know if you will have your job. i don't know if the credit rating will hold back letting money go. adam: what you described this is a great lesson in federal reserve speak. this is negative feedback loop. everyone tightening out of fear. let's take it a step further. we don't know what the tax situation will be and lay in tax returns, people use that for down payment when would they get that to put a down payment on a car, right. >> people think i don't have the money. maybe i don't want to maintain my existing car. we hope that is the case. nine out of 10 cars have something wrong with them on the road. if you don't do the basic maintenance that may be only way to keep your job to get your family to where they want to go. that is all dollars and cents. adam: in new york, nine out of tense cars the big problem is the driver in the other car. >> that is all across the country. ada
my taxes went up. fiscal cliff could cause some people's taxes to go up enough. adam: they tight enup spending. >> tight enup spending. lenders do the same thing on the backside. i don't know if you will have your job. i don't know if the credit rating will hold back letting money go. adam: what you described this is a great lesson in federal reserve speak. this is negative feedback loop. everyone tightening out of fear. let's take it a step further. we don't know what the tax situation...
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lou: let's start with the idea taxes that this president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is a heck of an initial bargaining position, isn't it.> >> the president talks about tax rates.te he wants tax rate increases and he converted into dollars.x rev the real question is can you raise tax revenues.se the only way that we will raise enoughevenues to get us out of trouble is private sectorsetor growth. tas you will not have private sectoc growth if you're saraying thate you're going too raise their health care costs or energy costs or labor costs. going t people aroe going to invest. job you are going to find that job creation is unique. american businesses want aess io president to succeed. i didn't vote for him, but hisey success is tied to my success. t conversely, his success is tied to the success of american bs business. there ought to be some common ground here. i'm just not seeing it yet. youh lou: what do you think of the idea that it doesn't ceos from companies show that the white house to talk big with the big guys, but small business thatf creates most thes
lou: let's start with the idea taxes that this president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is a heck of an initial bargaining position, isn't it.> >> the president talks about tax rates.te he wants tax rate increases and he converted into dollars.x rev the real question is can you raise tax revenues.se the only way that we will raise enoughevenues to get us out of trouble is private sectorsetor growth. tas you will not have private sectoc growth if you're saraying thate you're...
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a big tax bill. it was half-a-million dollars. we sold off 150 acres; gave us hemething to pay the tax with. >> reporter: now, jeff and his wife mary worry their dream of passing the land on to their two daughters will be ruined by the lifcal cliff. the estate tax rate would rise from 35% to 55% on estates worth over $1 million. 1 t today's prices in the napa thley, the pages' land could easily be worth $8 million. you're wealthy, right? u' but it's all in the dirt. you know, we're dirt rich, cash poor. >> reporter: for the pages, more than money is at stake. they want the land that is part of their family's past to also be part of its future. john blackstone, cbs news, in the napa valley. >> glor: and that is not all. apart from the fiscal cliff febate, some other laws are due to expire january 1, and that could cost americans plenty. ar starters, the payroll tax break will end. illial security taxes will go from 4.2% back to 6.2%. if the farm bill is allowed to expire, it is feared milk prices coul
a big tax bill. it was half-a-million dollars. we sold off 150 acres; gave us hemething to pay the tax with. >> reporter: now, jeff and his wife mary worry their dream of passing the land on to their two daughters will be ruined by the lifcal cliff. the estate tax rate would rise from 35% to 55% on estates worth over $1 million. 1 t today's prices in the napa thley, the pages' land could easily be worth $8 million. you're wealthy, right? u' but it's all in the dirt. you know, we're dirt...
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florence mar, tax director of the office of treasurer tax collectors. we'd like to thank supervisor campos for sponsoring this ordinance. it follows the efforts of former supervisor montgomery gold rick, alioto-pier, [speaker not understood], enforcing the san francisco parking tax. as background, parking tax has been in effect over 40 years. rent tax paid for parking, the operator collects the tax from the occupant, holds it in trust and remits it to the city on a monthly basis. it is a significant and growing revenue source for the city generating over $70 million annually. most of the tax is appropriated by board and to mta. the three components that i'll mention briefly here relate to parking bond, administrative citations, and the government agencies. parking bonds are required of operators to protect the city's interests and provide security for the taxes that the operator remits to the city. the legislation expands to a level of the bonding required of parking operators from 7 to 18. and this is in response to industry requests for smaller bands
florence mar, tax director of the office of treasurer tax collectors. we'd like to thank supervisor campos for sponsoring this ordinance. it follows the efforts of former supervisor montgomery gold rick, alioto-pier, [speaker not understood], enforcing the san francisco parking tax. as background, parking tax has been in effect over 40 years. rent tax paid for parking, the operator collects the tax from the occupant, holds it in trust and remits it to the city on a monthly basis. it is a...
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>> i think raising the capital gains tax, raising the dividend tax, raising the estate tax, raising taxes on small businesses, is a disaster for the economy, it's too fragile. >> that's not true at all. all the research shows that actually the economic activity is not that sensitive to tax rates at the top of the income distribution -- >> that's not true, it's the opposite. >> i'm sorry -- >>> the economy's highly sensitive, that's why countries have been cutting tax rateth. >> we grew faster when we had higher tax rates. >> let's just do it another reality check on this. which is that, whether we go over the cliff or have a scaled-down deal, we've got two things looming, a debt ceiling in probably two months which republicans will no doubt use as leverage. we still don't have a grand bargain that deals with deficit and debt by taking on tax reform and entitlement reform. what rational reason, stephen, first you, should we have that that other kick the can to another situation we're about to go off a cliff would produce any different result from a new congress? >> i'm not sure it will. jo
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and they are taxed again at the individual level. with the dividend and catal gains taxes. george bush, to his credit, tried to do something about that and he chopped the dividend and capital gains tax down to 15%. the effect of that was to reduce the incentive for corporations to take on too much debt. if you tax equity too much, corporations take on too much debt. then it's more likely that they become bankrupt and to destabilize the whole system. gerri: you talk a little bit about competitiveness. let's detail that. low capital gains is important to our nation's competitiveness. but also, to the cmpetitiveness of these companies that we are talking about. >> absolutely. let's say that you are a young indian or chinese entrepreneur with a science degree or engineering degree and you graduate from mit. you want to start a high-tech company. would you started in the united states, where you're getting from your company years down the road will be taxed at 30%, or would you started in china or india where the capital gains tax rate is zero? many of our major partners have ze
and they are taxed again at the individual level. with the dividend and catal gains taxes. george bush, to his credit, tried to do something about that and he chopped the dividend and capital gains tax down to 15%. the effect of that was to reduce the incentive for corporations to take on too much debt. if you tax equity too much, corporations take on too much debt. then it's more likely that they become bankrupt and to destabilize the whole system. gerri: you talk a little bit about...
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and the estate tax. it goes on. it goes on. it goes on. why, david jackson, haven't people started screaming from the streets and screaming from the rooftops about what this mean, this is a manufactured crisis. >> well, they haven't felt it in their paycheck and they will after january 1. the government will be taking more out of their paychecks and when the tax time will roll by in april, they'll feel it and businesses will feel it. once people will see they're losing money on this deal you'll see more public outrage about it. >> david naka, mura, calling for an up or down vote if the senate can't come up with it. he's talking about 250,000, at one point 400,000. is it realistic to think that the president can win this thing on an up or down vote? >> if they actually go to an up and down vote there will be a lot of pressure on those who were against a temporary fix with this to make their case known and actually go on the record. that's why the question is would the republican senators who would oppose
and the estate tax. it goes on. it goes on. it goes on. why, david jackson, haven't people started screaming from the streets and screaming from the rooftops about what this mean, this is a manufactured crisis. >> well, they haven't felt it in their paycheck and they will after january 1. the government will be taking more out of their paychecks and when the tax time will roll by in april, they'll feel it and businesses will feel it. once people will see they're losing money on this deal...
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another tax you'll see rise is the estate tax. cbs reporter john blackstone shows us how tumbling off the fiscal cliff could destroy the legacy of a napa valley vineyard. >> reporter: when his great grandfather started farming her in the late 1800s... >> they farmed orchard fruit and cattle. >> reporter: but much of the land he grew up on is gone, sold, to pay estate taxes after his grandfather's death. >> had to sell all of it. >> estate taxes? >> yes. >> reporter: his grandfather died in 1972 when estate taxes were at an all-time high, 77%. >> it was a big tax bill. it was, you know, half a million dollars. we sold off 150 acres. it gave us something to pay the tax with. >> reporter: now, jeff and his wife marry worry their dream of passing the land on to their two daughters will be ruined by the fiscal cliff. the estate tax rate would rise from 35 to 55% on estates worth over $1 million. at today's prices in the napa valley, the land could easily be worth $8 million. >> you're wealthy, but it's all in the dirt. we're dirt rich,
another tax you'll see rise is the estate tax. cbs reporter john blackstone shows us how tumbling off the fiscal cliff could destroy the legacy of a napa valley vineyard. >> reporter: when his great grandfather started farming her in the late 1800s... >> they farmed orchard fruit and cattle. >> reporter: but much of the land he grew up on is gone, sold, to pay estate taxes after his grandfather's death. >> had to sell all of it. >> estate taxes? >> yes....
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. >> it is f
the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising...
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purposes of tax policy it's not a major purpose of tax policy all taxes manipulate behavior but let's try to keep that to a minimum keep the tax base simple and broad why not why not use tax policy to reduce behavior this destructive to the economy that's pleasures rashes and i don't think i mean do you know would you have a problem i mean do you have a problem with the fact that there are robots making millions of trades every minute on wall street and. we saw in the flash crash of two thousand and ten or something like that where the market dropped a thousand points and nobody knew we were exactly why i don't know huge risk to the financials and i don't have a problem with anybody losing billions of dollars because on the other side of that transaction somebody made billions nobody just wins and loses there's always someone on the other side of the transaction but this is really big i mean these are these are robots that are programs in that they're doing this people are making trades to invest in companies that they think are going to do well or you know making long term investment
purposes of tax policy it's not a major purpose of tax policy all taxes manipulate behavior but let's try to keep that to a minimum keep the tax base simple and broad why not why not use tax policy to reduce behavior this destructive to the economy that's pleasures rashes and i don't think i mean do you know would you have a problem i mean do you have a problem with the fact that there are robots making millions of trades every minute on wall street and. we saw in the flash crash of two...
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raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. but what we're down to right now is largely a political battle over the increase in marginal tax rates based on what you earn. i understand there's a lot more to this puzzle, but on that front, because that's the one that gets most of the ink around here, whether people who earn more than $250,000 or $400,000 or $1 million should may-pay more tax. the point is that's not going to hurt the economy. that's all we're talking about. paying 4.6%, 8 points higher on your income over $250,000, empirically t
raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this...
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the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an increase in the estate tax, which is also planned to hit in the new year. republicans would like, in order to be able to vote for some sort of deal, to limit that threshold and where -- a limit the threshold where the tax increase hits so maybe instead of $250,000 maybe $400,000, a way to avoid that estate tax increase, they would like no delay in those spending cuts, so that they will start to hit in the new year. and they would like democrats to agree to pay for the unemployment benefits. now we don't know if -- which of these items would be in the deal they're working out today, except
the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an...
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whose taxes will go up? people who earn more than 250,000 a year or people who earn more than 450,000 a year? republicans want to see the 450,000 threshold and democrats, 250,000. you need a few republicans in the house and democrats in the senate. it's more likely to be the 400,000 threshold. something the president offered. what does this do about taxes on inherited estates? currently, an estate worth $5 million or more gets taxed at a 35% rate. will that stay or change at all? and all of the automatic budget cuts we've deputy talking about for a year. nothing that would suggest that something will come up, later perhaps by march when they talk about the debt ceiling. >> he's talking about later in march, talking about a small deal being done now, which means we have to be back doing this all over again. >> yeah, the only thing on the table at this point are the tax rates extending bush tax cuts and a whole suite of things that were part of the fiscal cliff that aren't going to be touched. we'll have the d
whose taxes will go up? people who earn more than 250,000 a year or people who earn more than 450,000 a year? republicans want to see the 450,000 threshold and democrats, 250,000. you need a few republicans in the house and democrats in the senate. it's more likely to be the 400,000 threshold. something the president offered. what does this do about taxes on inherited estates? currently, an estate worth $5 million or more gets taxed at a 35% rate. will that stay or change at all? and all of the...
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then, income taxes will go up across the board, every tax bracket. we're talking g about real mone for every household. for instance, a single parent with two kids making $37,000 a year, she'll get walloped with a $2800 plus tax increase. a married couple with a kid in college making about $137,000, that's $8,000 more in taxes on that family. and if you're really rich, say lebron james rich, $53 million a year, cough up $2.4 million more to uncle sam. and that's not all. two million americans who lost their jobs are getting help through unemployment benefits. at the stroke of midnight on january 1st, they get stiffed not a dime more. >> the federal help for unemployment benefits will go away. >> that's real pain for people who are already suffering. >> yes. and it's also an immediate removal of economic activity from the economy, because if you get unemployment benefits, that money gets spent into the economy relatively quickly. >> and the hits just keep oncoming. capital gains taxes, up 5%. the child tax credit cut in half from a thousand dollars pe
then, income taxes will go up across the board, every tax bracket. we're talking g about real mone for every household. for instance, a single parent with two kids making $37,000 a year, she'll get walloped with a $2800 plus tax increase. a married couple with a kid in college making about $137,000, that's $8,000 more in taxes on that family. and if you're really rich, say lebron james rich, $53 million a year, cough up $2.4 million more to uncle sam. and that's not all. two million americans...
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taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope that the blame game can be put aside so they can get some work done? in the private sector these people would be fired. >> absolutely. this is a do nothing congress, the least active in four years when it comes to policy making, and the reason we are here is that the delay decisions for the past two years. i do think that something will happen because if it doesn't the consequences will be so severe i
taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any...
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higher tax rate. john boehner floated a plan that would have kept low rates for those making up to a million dollars. two house members talked to us earlier today about where the tax issue is likely heading. >> the $400,000 level seems to me to be about right. that represents about the top 1% of income earners in the country. we need to save tax hikes on as many americans as we can. i kind of feel like i'm a life guard and we got to save as many people from crown not guilty higher taxes as we can. >> the challenge is finding the right figure to win some republican support in the senate and attract enough votes to pass the house. kelly. >> kelly: interesting comment right there, feeling like a life guard. many people are wondering if they're going to do that on capitol hill. thanks so much. going to be an interesting new year. watch fox sunday tomorrow. chris wallace talks with lindsey graham and nine fine stein. check your -- diane feinstein. >> heather: new york city police have a woman in custody wh
higher tax rate. john boehner floated a plan that would have kept low rates for those making up to a million dollars. two house members talked to us earlier today about where the tax issue is likely heading. >> the $400,000 level seems to me to be about right. that represents about the top 1% of income earners in the country. we need to save tax hikes on as many americans as we can. i kind of feel like i'm a life guard and we got to save as many people from crown not guilty higher taxes...
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you got a fuel tax and fuel tax is a huge tax . they are using the argument to get better mileage now. maybe you don't need to do so much. it is based on mileage. >> wayne makes a good point about the privacy issue. transponder tracking my mile it is big brotherish. >> it is and john makes a good argument against it it is a important policy work. it is probably a bad idea. we don't need new tax. the mileage tax could hurt fuel efficient car it is the and questions of heavy congestion times and it is unworkable idea and why the obama administration distanced it. >> we have a trust fund in 2013 and that is to go to the roads. it will be negative and needs a fuel tax to fund it again. >> it is not too long. it will go negative in 2015. the gas tax is raised continuously since it was enacted in the 1950s. they are paying 64 cents a gallon in taxings. why is that the only proposal. it why not freedom. there is it public assets in every country but here at home. la guardia. terrible airport owned by the government. new mexico and new zea
you got a fuel tax and fuel tax is a huge tax . they are using the argument to get better mileage now. maybe you don't need to do so much. it is based on mileage. >> wayne makes a good point about the privacy issue. transponder tracking my mile it is big brotherish. >> it is and john makes a good argument against it it is a important policy work. it is probably a bad idea. we don't need new tax. the mileage tax could hurt fuel efficient car it is the and questions of heavy...
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did anybody think about the ramifications like these tax cuts, these tax cuts and all this spending going on? >> well, i think that the question is, you know, how do we pay for the tax cuts. and i think there are reasonable ways to do so. it just seems that our friends on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have a difficulty in, you know, making necessary -- making necessary spending reductions to enable progrowth policies to persist. and that's an unfortunate thing. yeah, look, this was -- i heard a previous guest say this was a deal with the devil because it, you know, because it -- you got tax cuts now for ten years and a date certain for when they would go away. that's true, but we thought we were dealing with adult policy makers in washington and we thought that people would do the right thing with respect to fiscal policy. look, we wouldn't be in this circumstance, you know, president obama actually extended these tax cuts with the intent that washington would take a more reasonable look at how we can phase in fiscal policy in a way that wouldn't do damage to the overall economy
did anybody think about the ramifications like these tax cuts, these tax cuts and all this spending going on? >> well, i think that the question is, you know, how do we pay for the tax cuts. and i think there are reasonable ways to do so. it just seems that our friends on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have a difficulty in, you know, making necessary -- making necessary spending reductions to enable progrowth policies to persist. and that's an unfortunate thing. yeah, look, this...
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cuts or not for tax cuts? so people are a little smarter than that. and a lot of members of congress are wary. so if they get democrats to vote for this, that's going to be a bipartisan deal they can all hang their hats on. but does it achieve the long-term reform the president and a lot of conservative republicans say they're looking to see in government? >> i'm really glad you said that. david she hit on something important. you can't avoid this debate. it's everywhere. but she just suggested we're not going to fall for that. you're not going to fool us. you're not going to come back and say we went off the cliff and now we're voting for taxes. we're not going to fall for that. so who is going to come out if there is a deal before january 1? who's going to come out looking into this? is anybody? who's going to come out looking bad or worse than bad? >> a couple of thimgs things, t.j. i think it depend on what the ultimate deal is and where that line for threshold on tax increases is. looking ahead to the 201
cuts or not for tax cuts? so people are a little smarter than that. and a lot of members of congress are wary. so if they get democrats to vote for this, that's going to be a bipartisan deal they can all hang their hats on. but does it achieve the long-term reform the president and a lot of conservative republicans say they're looking to see in government? >> i'm really glad you said that. david she hit on something important. you can't avoid this debate. it's everywhere. but she just...
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>> well, the thing that will get them piqued is that tax rates. obama is preferring a $250,000 threshold, but in the process of trying to hammer out the deal, it is raised to $400,000 or $500,0 $500,000, and the base is going to be angry about that, and that is offset by satisfaction that some of the entitlement reforms that the president had signed off on earlier such as changing the structure for social security will not likely be in this deal, and obviously, everything remains to be seen, and the estate tax is a big sticking point, because obama wants to see it go up, and the senate republicans will insist that it stay at the current rate. >> thank you, robert costa and sam stein. we will be back in a moment. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> welcome back to hardball. what will a deal look like if there is one? and who is going to wind up giving up more on the tax cuts for wealthy americans? harry reid insists $250,000 is a threshold, but it may not hold. joining me now is josh green of bloomberg business week. josh, for the marke
>> well, the thing that will get them piqued is that tax rates. obama is preferring a $250,000 threshold, but in the process of trying to hammer out the deal, it is raised to $400,000 or $500,0 $500,000, and the base is going to be angry about that, and that is offset by satisfaction that some of the entitlement reforms that the president had signed off on earlier such as changing the structure for social security will not likely be in this deal, and obviously, everything remains to be...
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point with many republicans resisting any tax increase at all. economists say the last-minute process calls into question washington's ability to deal with the hard issues of tax reform and deficit reduction. >> the prospects for the economy are incredibly dim until we put in place a bigger deal, tackle these challenges, and put some certainty into the economy and boost confidence. >> reporter: meanwhile, americans watched with worry and frustration. >> i think they're all failing us a great deal and i'm so sick and tired of them fighting. >> the equivalent of worried about your mortgage after you're already homeless. so it's, like i said, sad. they have a job to do and they're not doing it. >> reporter: now, with public pressure mounting, the house and senate are expected to be back in session tomorrow, ready for a vote that could impact the economy for better or for worse. kate? >> kristen welker at the white house. nbc's moderator of "meet the press" david gregory joins me now. as we've said, david, you sat down with president obama this after
point with many republicans resisting any tax increase at all. economists say the last-minute process calls into question washington's ability to deal with the hard issues of tax reform and deficit reduction. >> the prospects for the economy are incredibly dim until we put in place a bigger deal, tackle these challenges, and put some certainty into the economy and boost confidence. >> reporter: meanwhile, americans watched with worry and frustration. >> i think they're all...
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that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time there was a pay raise was 2009. >>> there is one thing the senate has agreed on, getting aid to victims of superstorm sandy. by a 61-33 vote the chamber passed a measure offering $60 billion in help. it heads to the house which must approve the bill by thursday or else the process to consider the money has to start all over again. at least 113 people were killed when superstorm sandy hit in late october. the governors of new york and new jersey, the hardest hit states, have estimated damages at more than $78 billion. >>> and turning to weather. even though winter is just over a week old, millions of americans probably can't wait for spring to arrive. me, as well, yes. scenes like this in maine are playing out all across the country as snow is now on the ground in almost 65% of the lower 48 states. at least everybody's enjoying it together. look at this video from arkansas where
that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time there was a pay raise was 2009. >>> there is one thing the senate has agreed on, getting aid to victims of superstorm sandy. by a 61-33 vote the chamber passed a measure offering $60 billion in help. it heads to the house which must approve the bill by thursday or else the process to consider the money has to start all over again. at least 113...
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but tax increases are a fact of life. that's the story, tax increases under mr. bush and surpluses under mr. clinton tax increases as far as the eye can see under mr. obama. >> when do the spending cuts happen, sarah? >> never. >> and you often see the tax increases kick in and in the health care law, and spending never gets cut. >> i think you need to look where the spending goes, provide preventive care. and we saw 80 million access preventative care and that's a net savings for the entire health care system passed on to all of us. >> how have job cuts we've seen the medical device makers, they're sounded the horn about them. how does it help the broad economy though? >> what you're seeing is readjusting of the economy. most of this tax money comes out of those making 250,000 or mo more, an increase on those individuals. at the same time that we're finding out here on capitol hill about a decrease on those making 250 or less, so, majority of americans. when we have this increase on a very small portion, we see that those folks are welcoming this increase, a pol
but tax increases are a fact of life. that's the story, tax increases under mr. bush and surpluses under mr. clinton tax increases as far as the eye can see under mr. obama. >> when do the spending cuts happen, sarah? >> never. >> and you often see the tax increases kick in and in the health care law, and spending never gets cut. >> i think you need to look where the spending goes, provide preventive care. and we saw 80 million access preventative care and that's a net...
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democrats will say they need that much in taxes, too. and because they've already raised rates, they got those middle class tax cuts extended, and the rich ones expired, they'll be open to do hitting through tax reform, which will be easier for republicans to swallow. let's say they do get the one to one match. that will be an $800 billion tax increase for a $1.4 trillion revenue increase in total. so democrats could easily end up when all of this is said and done with more revenue than president obama was asking for a week ago. and it will happen if it happens, because over and over and over and over again, john boehner and the house republicans could not take yes for an answer. they had to say no to this president. so they kept delaying until they were weaker. they pushed negotiations from 2011 where they were very strong, until 2012, right after the president had won re-election, and now they're pushing to to 13, after the fiscal cliff hits and they get blamed. it is an odd way to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will com
democrats will say they need that much in taxes, too. and because they've already raised rates, they got those middle class tax cuts extended, and the rich ones expired, they'll be open to do hitting through tax reform, which will be easier for republicans to swallow. let's say they do get the one to one match. that will be an $800 billion tax increase for a $1.4 trillion revenue increase in total. so democrats could easily end up when all of this is said and done with more revenue than...
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as the guy that is the tax cutter. has he tored in the republicans -- factored in the republicans have control of the budget with the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is beginning to see the long-term consequences if we do increase taxes. we maybe ought to do a little celebrating here. democrats are now on board that 98% of bush's tax cuts were a good thing for america and for the economy. let's at least chalk that up as a win. i agree with senator toomey, right now unfortunately only president obama is the one man that can sign a bill into law and without him agreeing to sign a bill everybody's taxes go up. we are in a position of how do we limit the damage and i think the best way of doing that is continue to talk about what we need to do is grow the economy and that is something president obama hasn't shown any interest in doing. certainly hasn't concentrated on it in his first term. >> sean: and senator toomey, it is a little frustrating as we watch this frankly reckless irresponsible political positioning go
as the guy that is the tax cutter. has he tored in the republicans -- factored in the republicans have control of the budget with the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is beginning to see the long-term consequences if we do increase taxes. we maybe ought to do a little celebrating here. democrats are now on board that 98% of bush's tax cuts were a good thing for america and for the economy. let's at least chalk that up as a win. i agree with senator toomey, right now unfortunately...
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president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would exp
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people making 40 to $65,000 get a $2,000 tax hike and anyone, would see a $14,000 tax bump. where else would americans see the sting? talk to me about medicare and unemployment benefits. >> this whole metaphor we've been using about a fiscal cliff probably isn't the right one to be used. after all, if you go over a cliff, you usually don't get to live to tell about it unless you're batman or spider-man, but there are things that actually would happen right away and one of those things that would be right away in a negative impact would be unemployment benefits and 2 million americans would see the unemployment benefits and that would hurt the economy and that would hurt these people that are relying on this and the unemployment insurance has been seen as economic stimulus to get hands into the money of people who need it and they were things that actually get spread over the course of 2013 if there is no fix that is actually done and it is possible for congress to go back and fix things and talking about the increase of tax rates and there will also be spending cuts to gover
people making 40 to $65,000 get a $2,000 tax hike and anyone, would see a $14,000 tax bump. where else would americans see the sting? talk to me about medicare and unemployment benefits. >> this whole metaphor we've been using about a fiscal cliff probably isn't the right one to be used. after all, if you go over a cliff, you usually don't get to live to tell about it unless you're batman or spider-man, but there are things that actually would happen right away and one of those things...
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the temporary tax increase is set to inspire. the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401 cans. the stock market, five straight losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, it's real money. lost 3,000, $4,000. december is traditionally a good month for the markets. >> and for home sales. here's what the president had to say about that. >> america wonder why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. the economy is growing. the housing market is recovering. but that could be impacted if folks are seeing smaller paychecks. >> bianna what is about that momentum in the housing market, is that at risk? >> it is. take
the temporary tax increase is set to inspire. the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401 cans. the stock market, five straight losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, it's real...
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we can't just rely on raising taxes. we have to look at cutting spending and the republicans are doing that, even more so with gite ner pointing out the -- geithner pointing out the fact, warning us on the debt ceiling. this shows us we have out of control spending and raising taxes is not going to get us out of this mess. >> alice, you realize that most americans think you need a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. it's not just one half of the deal. this is republicans and democrats, about 70% of americans, so it's not just a one-sided deal, and the second thing to say is, you know, these guys aren't that far apart. you know, in fact, when you look at how much revenue boehner has put on the table, he's close to a trillion dollars and he's just simply saying i want a trillion dollars in spending cuts as with he will. president obama, he's close to the same number. they're about, you know, $300 billion apart. they're about 1% apart in this whole deal, so i don't think it's fair to just attack the democrats someho
we can't just rely on raising taxes. we have to look at cutting spending and the republicans are doing that, even more so with gite ner pointing out the -- geithner pointing out the fact, warning us on the debt ceiling. this shows us we have out of control spending and raising taxes is not going to get us out of this mess. >> alice, you realize that most americans think you need a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. it's not just one half of the deal. this is republicans and...